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welcome to the hidden truth podcast

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where we focus on the transgender

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movement we're diving deep to find the

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truth behind the movement we're gonna

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provide an excerpt from this week's

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episode if you enjoy this excerpt you

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can check out the podcast hidden truth

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show on Apple podcast or wherever you

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listen to podcasts this is an interview

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with Joanna Harper she was a man in

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Canada running marathons in fact she was

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top 20 marathon runner in Canada

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ultimately transitioned to being a woman

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as a result she was interested in

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studying the effects of estrogen when a

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man starts taking it she started taking

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it and said that it had reduced her

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levels of running by about 10% and so

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she now advises the Olympics she advises

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universities and even high schools on

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what their policy should be on

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transgender athletes rather than it

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being based on biological sex she

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contends it should be all based upon

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hormone levels as long as someone who's

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been taking hormone treatment for at

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least a year they should be able to

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compete in the sport of the sex that

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they identify with here's a snippet from

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that interview with Joanna Harbor within

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nine months of being on hormone therapy

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I was running 12 percent slower and and

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so that that was amazing to me that that

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hormone therapy could do that and so

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while you're blocking well is sorry to

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interrupt you but you're blocking your

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testosterone and you're producing

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estrogen right yes sorry not produced

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but taking estrogen in 2004 so I mean I

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don't I guess I'm questioning why you

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were so surprised by it because it

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wouldn't surprise me because we've seen

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athletes taking steroids over the years

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almost every sport has banned the use of

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steroids and they take it because it

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gives them at least a 10% boost in their

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performance so why were you surprised

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that blocking your testosterone would

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certainly you know when you're talking

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about steroids you're talking about very

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large doses of testosterone that these

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people take and certainly the the idea

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that you could take a male athlete put

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them on female hormone levels for nine

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months and wind up with an equivalent

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female athlete I think there are very

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few people who on their own would say oh

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yeah

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that sounds reasonable to me well you

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jumped yeah you jump to something a

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little bit different which you know I

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would clearly expect a significant

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decline performance that you said 12%

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difference in your time yeah and what is

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let's just take the the what is the

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marathon record for a man and what is

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the marathon record for a woman its 202

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fifty something for a man and 215

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something for a woman again it's ten

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percent difference yes right yep so so

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the not what you experienced in other

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words yeah about what I experienced in

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nine months of becoming hormonal female

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Ong tells us the importance of hormones

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in right performance yes it helps

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explain why men are better at sports

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than women yes it does right and it

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helps explain why so many men were

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taking testosterone to boost their

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performance Barry Bonds Mark McGwire

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etcetera advanced what I'm not sure

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exactly what they took but we know for

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sure there was a period during which

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athletes were taking testosterone

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boosters and probably from where the

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male was they were propagating about a

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10% boost up from where they were yep

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okay so keep going sorry so anyway I was

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surprised that nine months of hormone

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therapy could do this and with so you

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know that was eye-opening and then

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within two years later I found another

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trend woman runner who had experienced

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the same thing and so at this point it

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wasn't just me so this was something

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that at least two transwomen runners had

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experienced so at that point I decided I

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would start to gather data it took a

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while but eventually in 2015 I published

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study and that study showed 200 race

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times from 8 transgender runners and

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applying an analysis to those came up

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with equivalent performance in male and

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female male before transition female

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after and so that was the first

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published study ever on transgender

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athletes and then that was just three

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years ago

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the IOC the IWF took notice of what I

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was doing no one else in the world was

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doing it at the time and so they started

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inviting me to to two things that to be

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one of their worldwide experts because

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because I was to see the full interview

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with Johanna Harper check out the hidden

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truth show podcast

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